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據蓋世汽車報道:近日,2017年汽車與環境創新論壇在上海舉行,上汽前瞻研究部燃料電池係統部總監陳雪鬆對上汽在燃料電池汽車研發和運行方麵的情況進行了介紹,以下為陳雪鬆演講實錄。

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關(guan)於(yu)發(fa)展(zhan)趨(qu)勢(shi),我(wo)想(xiang)昨(zuo)天(tian)餘(yu)老(lao)師(shi)講(jiang)的(de)我(wo)是(shi)完(wan)全(quan)認(ren)同(tong)的(de),我(wo)想(xiang)做(zuo)一(yi)點(dian)點(dian)補(bu)充(chong)。為(wei)什(shen)麼(me)是(shi)機(ji)遇(yu)?從(cong)技(ji)術(shu)上(shang)判(pan)斷(duan)中(zhong)國(guo)還(hai)是(shi)落(luo)後(hou)於(yu)歐(ou)洲(zhou)和(he)美(mei)國(guo),尤(you)其(qi)是(shi)日(ri)本(ben)的(de)整(zheng)車(che)技(ji)術(shu)、cailiaojishuhaiyoulingbujianjishu。zuijinyiliangnian,weishenmexianzairanliaodianchijishushichangturanyoureleqilai,daodishiweishenme?weishenmebatashuochengshiyizhongjiyu,haishizhengcedequdong,womenguojiacongnengyuan,congwuran,zheliangfangmian,shijishangduiyuqingjienengyuandejishuxuqiushibirenheyigeguojiadoupoqiede。wodelijieshiliangqiliangluo,weishenmene?zai1973年nian的de時shi候hou已yi經jing有you一yi股gu熱re潮chao了le,對dui石shi油you的de出chu口kou進jin行xing限xian量liang提ti價jia,在zai傳chuan統tong的de汽qi車che行xing業ye搞gao過guo一yi輪lun替ti代dai石shi油you做zuo燃ran料liao的de驅qu動dong,但dan是shi石shi油you那na個ge時shi候hou這zhe個ge問wen題ti解jie決jue了le,所suo以yi石shi油you價jia格ge又you得de到dao了le控kong製zhi,可ke以yi說shuo是shi第di一yi波bo。昨zuo天tian餘yu老lao師shi講jiang的de是shi第di二er波bo,做zuo成cheng納na米mi級ji,民min用yong就jiu有you可ke能neng了le。根gen據ju章zhang老lao師shi的de介jie紹shao,目mu前qian催cui化hua劑ji的de用yong量liang和he水shui平ping要yao達da到daoDOEdeyaoqiu,kenenghaiyaoyouyigetupo。yaodadaozhegemubiao,xianzaidecuihuajikenenghaishimanzubuleliangdexuqiu。zaiyanjiufangmianyijingyouleyixiesilu,yeyouleyixiexiaoguimoshangdetupo。yaobazhexiejishuyingyongdaocheshang,zhongjianhaideyaogesanwuniandeshijian。womenrenweicongjishufangmianshikenengde,muqiandexianzhuangkenenghaiyouyiduanhenchangdekaifajuliyaozou。zhelimianjiangdaotadeyoudian,womenzuozhexing,dangranshuozijizuodehaole。xianzaizhezhongchajuyuelaiyuexiao,birushuowomengenchuantongche,womenshilingpaifangde,meiyoueryanghuatanyemeiyoudanhuawuheyanghuawu,womendebianlixinghechuantongcheyiyang。zhexieyouyuexingzaizhujiandisuoxiao,suizhedianchidejinbu,shangqijituanbenshenzijiyezaikaifa,zaichezhanshangyijinggongbukeyidadao500公(gong)裏(li)的(de)技(ji)術(shu)。這(zhe)種(zhong)差(cha)距(ju)的(de)變(bian)小(xiao)驅(qu)動(dong)著(zhe)燃(ran)料(liao)電(dian)池(chi)未(wei)來(lai)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)走(zou)向(xiang)和(he)技(ji)術(shu)市(shi)場(chang)的(de)定(ding)位(wei)。現(xian)在(zai)是(shi)慢(man)慢(man)地(di)在(zai)重(zhong)新(xin)考(kao)慮(lv)這(zhe)些(xie)問(wen)題(ti),可(ke)能(neng)替(ti)代(dai)柴(chai)油(you)機(ji)或(huo)者(zhe)大(da)型(xing)的(de)卡(ka)車(che)、公交車更有優勢。
在(zai)這(zhe)個(ge)行(xing)業(ye)很(hen)多(duo)時(shi)候(hou),終(zhong)極(ji)是(shi)要(yao)加(jia)引(yin)號(hao)的(de)。比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)我(wo)們(men)的(de)化(hua)石(shi)能(neng)源(yuan),它(ta)地(di)球(qiu)上(shang)的(de)來(lai)源(yuan)都(dou)是(shi)來(lai)自(zi)於(yu)太(tai)陽(yang),隻(zhi)不(bu)過(guo)幾(ji)十(shi)億(yi)年(nian)前(qian)把(ba)它(ta)存(cun)在(zai)於(yu)地(di)下(xia)。要(yao)解(jie)決(jue)這(zhe)些(xie)問(wen)題(ti),未(wei)來(lai)不(bu)管(guan)氫(qing)也(ye)好(hao)電(dian)也(ye)好(hao),要(yao)直(zhi)接(jie)用(yong)太(tai)陽(yang)能(neng)產(chan)生(sheng),是(shi)比(bi)較(jiao)有(you)幫(bang)助(zhu)的(de)。
關guan於yu總zong的de趨qu勢shi,我wo們men認ren為wei,現xian在zai國guo內nei還hai是shi處chu於yu一yi個ge提ti升sheng階jie段duan,為wei什shen麼me這zhe麼me說shuo呢ne?作zuo為wei一yi個ge傳chuan統tong車che,要yao想xiang達da商shang業ye化hua,要yao看kan這zhe個ge產chan業ye鏈lian是shi不bu是shi存cun在zai,還hai有you性xing價jia比bi,最zui後hou銷xiao售shou是shi不bu是shi有you市shi場chang還hai有you售shou後hou的de服fu務wu。燃ran料liao電dian池chi這zhe個ge行xing業ye我wo們men一yi開kai始shi搞gao,最zui大da的de困kun難nan就jiu是shi缺que乏fa好hao的de零ling部bu件jian,上shang汽qi一yi開kai始shi還hai是shi從cong整zheng車che行xing業ye,在zai上shang海hai世shi博bo會hui的de時shi候hou做zuo過guo整zheng車che的de展zhan示shi,集ji團tuan定ding位wei了le未wei來lai三san大da區qu域yu戰zhan略lve,混hun動dong已yi經jing基ji本ben上shang量liang產chan了le,燃ran料liao電dian池chi到dao今jin天tian為wei止zhi可ke以yi說shuo上shang個ge月yue在zai廣guang州zhou,小xiao批pi量liang製zhi造zao可ke以yi正zheng式shi銷xiao售shou了le,基ji本ben上shang現xian在zai生sheng產chan出chu一yi半ban。我wo們men看kan來lai國guo內nei的de情qing況kuang,我wo們men認ren為wei還hai是shi屬shu於yu性xing能neng提ti升sheng階jie段duan,國guo外wai也ye是shi通tong過guo前qian麵mian的de介jie紹shao,大da家jia知zhi道dao氫qing能neng源yuan車che的de限xian製zhi因yin素su就jiu是shi對dui氫qing的de供gong給gei還hai不bu是shi很hen方fang便bian,各ge個ge國guo家jia雖sui然ran有you一yi些xie規gui劃hua,從cong數shu量liang來lai講jiang,要yao達da到dao上shang百bai萬wan量liang還hai需xu要yao很hen長chang的de路lu要yao走zou。
國外2010年前後就完成了技術研發,2015年(nian)前(qian)後(hou)陸(lu)續(xu)發(fa)布(bu)了(le)量(liang)產(chan)計(ji)劃(hua)。一(yi)開(kai)始(shi)采(cai)用(yong)大(da)功(gong)率(lv)的(de)燃(ran)料(liao)電(dian)池(chi),為(wei)了(le)配(pei)合(he)這(zhe)些(xie)車(che)企(qi),各(ge)國(guo)政(zheng)府(fu)也(ye)是(shi)有(you)配(pei)套(tao)的(de)。我(wo)們(men)國(guo)家(jia)因(yin)為(wei)是(shi)搞(gao)項(xiang)目(mu),奧(ao)運(yun)會(hui)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),世(shi)博(bo)會(hui)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),都(dou)是(shi)以(yi)項(xiang)目(mu)的(de)形(xing)式(shi)做(zuo)。我(wo)們(men)把(ba)它(ta)作(zuo)為(wei)一(yi)種(zhong)產(chan)品(pin)在(zai)車(che)企(qi)開(kai)發(fa)還(hai)是(shi)比(bi)較(jiao)晚(wan)的(de)。我(wo)記(ji)得(de)當(dang)時(shi)去(qu)訪(fang)問(wen),易(yi)老(lao)師(shi)來(lai)訪(fang)問(wen)大(da)華(hua)所(suo)。他(ta)覺(jiao)得(de)在(zai)理(li)論(lun)了(le)解(jie)深(shen)度(du)方(fang)麵(mian)中(zhong)國(guo)是(shi)很(hen)高(gao)的(de),國(guo)內(nei)現(xian)在(zai)因(yin)為(wei)政(zheng)策(ce)的(de)驅(qu)動(dong)有(you)實(shi)際(ji)的(de)環(huan)境(jing)需(xu)求(qiu),市(shi)場(chang)需(xu)求(qiu)還(hai)是(shi)蠻(man)迫(po)切(qie)的(de),才(cai)出(chu)現(xian)了(le)一(yi)個(ge)商(shang)機(ji)。國(guo)內(nei)有(you)些(xie)企(qi)業(ye)利(li)用(yong)國(guo)外(wai)的(de)電(dian)堆(dui)廠(chang)商(shang)提(ti)供(gong)一(yi)些(xie)核(he)心(xin)的(de)零(ling)部(bu)件(jian)。在(zai)討(tao)論(lun)這(zhe)個(ge)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),國(guo)家(jia)也(ye)進(jin)行(xing)了(le)很(hen)多(duo)討(tao)論(lun),如(ru)果(guo)從(cong)車(che)本(ben)身(shen)來(lai)說(shuo),30KW是shi不bu夠gou的de,作zuo為wei一yi般ban的de轎jiao車che,大da家jia可ke以yi隨sui意yi走zou多duo遠yuan,這zhe需xu要yao一yi個ge完wan善shan修xiu改gai的de過guo程cheng,也ye是shi一yi個ge起qi步bu。一yi旦dan行xing業ye起qi來lai,基ji礎chu設she施shi建jian立li起qi來lai了le,我wo們men的de技ji術shu沒mei有you提ti升sheng的de話hua,外wai麵mian的de技ji術shu進jin來lai,我wo們men就jiu失shi去qu了le這zhe個ge市shi場chang。上shang汽qi實shi際ji上shang從cong2010年nian開kai始shi,中zhong國guo世shi博bo會hui驗yan證zheng可ke行xing性xing以yi後hou,就jiu一yi直zhi做zuo支zhi持chi。剩sheng下xia一yi些xie零ling部bu件jian,轉zhuan動dong係xi統tong集ji成cheng都dou自zi己ji和he由you整zheng車che來lai做zuo。一yi開kai始shi為wei了le利li用yong這zhe種zhong政zheng策ce和he補bu貼tie,采cai用yong這zhe種zhong混hun動dong。在zai後hou麵mian的de開kai發fa中zhong,瞄miao準zhun了le一yi流liu的de先xian進jin水shui平ping,這zhe也ye是shi十shi三san五wu的de計ji劃hua。
下xia麵mian兩liang輛liang車che一yi開kai始shi是shi在zai政zheng策ce這zhe個ge平ping台tai開kai發fa技ji術shu,如ru果guo是shi乘cheng用yong車che開kai著zhe到dao處chu跑pao,車che的de氫qing氣qi問wen題ti很hen難nan解jie決jue。這zhe一yi頁ye講jiang了le從cong國guo家jia到dao地di方fang,提ti出chu了le一yi些xie行xing動dong計ji劃hua,還hai有you具ju體ti的de上shang海hai市shi提ti出chu的de到dao2020年要實現批產。由於政策的推動,民營行業其實是被驅動的,在客車、物流車、通(tong)行(xing)車(che)這(zhe)一(yi)類(lei)進(jin)行(xing)示(shi)範(fan)。回(hui)顧(gu)這(zhe)些(xie)討(tao)論(lun),中(zhong)國(guo)發(fa)展(zhan)得(de)比(bi)較(jiao)慢(man),總(zong)的(de)來(lai)說(shuo)投(tou)入(ru)還(hai)是(shi)太(tai)少(shao),像(xiang)通(tong)用(yong)豐(feng)田(tian)每(mei)年(nian)投(tou)一(yi)個(ge)億(yi),每(mei)年(nian)都(dou)投(tou)錢(qian),我(wo)們(men)的(de)產(chan)品(pin)還(hai)是(shi)比(bi)較(jiao)落(luo)後(hou)的(de)。基(ji)礎(chu)設(she)施(shi)也(ye)有(you)一(yi)些(xie)好(hao)的(de)跡(ji)象(xiang)。如(ru)果(guo)這(zhe)個(ge)行(xing)業(ye)發(fa)展(zhan)起(qi)來(lai),也(ye)會(hui)轉(zhuan)化(hua)到(dao)提(ti)供(gong)轉(zhuan)型(xing)的(de)服(fu)務(wu)。上(shang)汽(qi)一(yi)直(zhi)在(zai)持(chi)續(xu)地(di)投(tou)入(ru),到(dao)今(jin)年(nian)為(wei)止(zhi),已(yi)經(jing)有(you)10億左右的投入了。
目前的狀態籠統簡單來說,在十二五期間開發了200型中等功率燃料電池技術的自主開發,2017年商用車大通V80車型實現了產業化、在乘用車榮威950車型進行規模化驗證。十三五期間,加快推動燃料電池汽車商業化。材料是很重要的,沒有材料也做不出好的零部件。這是750,2014年7月獲得工信部第262picigonggaorenzheng。zhelimiankenenghenjiandandilaishuo,jiushiqiancangyouranliaodianchihexindediandui,bachuqingzhebufenfangzaihoubu。dangshikaifadeshihoudadaoleyonghudeyaoqiu。zhegechecongshangqilaishuo,houlaiyinweixiaoliangwentiyouzhegeshengjijiuzuole,womenduizhegechejinxingleyigezhengtidefenxi,950這輛車布局和750差不多,功率密度可能要低一些;儲氫這部分,這也是在國內第一家使用70Mpa這個係統。我們當時也是跟天津所這邊做了很多很多技術的交流,參照國際的標準,最後還是通過了技術的要求驗收;還有一個,即使是70Mpa也是屬於基礎那一代;在重量方麵、chengbenfangmianwomendejingzhengyoushibijiaoruo,yiqiankenengzaitianranqixingyechuguoanquanshigu,xianzaiyinweixingyedefazhan,zhexiedongxidedaoyunxule。zheliangcheyouduocideshiyan,butongdedifang,henduorenshi,genchuantong950基本上沒有什麼大的區別。
zhekuanchedonglixitongbingbushizuihaode,danshiyikaishishangyehuashixiao,jibenshangyanzhengyihou,gengjiachongfenle。yaoyingyongyidai,kaifayidai,chucunyidai。zhegecheyekeyipao430公裏,當時考慮成本,還是用35Mpa這樣一個儲能係統。如果什麼都不變,把這個變成70Mpa,它的公裏數還是有很大的提升的。
這個就是我們的經曆,一開始我們最早做750的時候有一個全國的萬裏行。從北到南,從低到高,走過了那麼多城市。北方有唐山、大連、青島,再往南走,有成都、拉薩、昆明,有高原的,也有道路爬坡比較厲害的。當時是2014年,那時候很早了,主要還是為了發現問題,一路坐下來,跑了一萬公裏,這輛車還是蠻不錯的。後來造950的時候,因為要盡量接近於場景,所以做了很多環境的試驗。有4輛車完成單車32000公裏耐久試驗,還有3輛950FCV完成環境試驗,這是在零下20度的環境中。國外已經達到了零下30度,我們已經做到了零下20度(du)。高(gao)原(yuan)也(ye)有(you)一(yi)個(ge)難(nan)題(ti),大(da)氣(qi)稀(xi)薄(bo),對(dui)於(yu)整(zheng)個(ge)空(kong)氣(qi)係(xi)統(tong)的(de)管(guan)理(li),性(xing)能(neng)有(you)什(shen)麼(me)影(ying)響(xiang),也(ye)做(zuo)了(le)很(hen)多(duo)試(shi)驗(yan)。這(zhe)些(xie)試(shi)驗(yan)最(zui)後(hou)都(dou)通(tong)過(guo)了(le),都(dou)是(shi)按(an)照(zhao)不(bu)同(tong)的(de)要(yao)求(qiu)去(qu)做(zuo)的(de)。新能源車專項也有一些,比如說絕緣、振動、EMC和涉水,絕緣要求還是很高的,這個是整車耐久試驗,進行高速、爬坡還有顛簸的路段來做測試。這是海南的高溫、高原還有在黑河整車試驗的一些圖片。我們高原去了兩次,一次是在雲南,一次是在格爾木高原,跟著車隊跑,還是蠻費錢的。
簡單介紹一下我們的技術。剛才章老師也講,國外國內的一些技術的差距,我們也看了一下,拿電堆核心的東西來說,DOE畫了一條線,2020目標就是2.5KW每升。當時其實最開始2000年nian以yi前qian,有you很hen多duo燃ran料liao電dian池chi專zhuan業ye的de公gong司si,通tong用yong搞gao得de是shi最zui早zao的de,巴ba拉la德de也ye是shi從cong事shi專zhuan業ye燃ran料liao電dian池chi研yan究jiu的de。裏li麵mian一yi個ge核he心xin的de部bu件jian是shi雙shuang級ji板ban,當dang時shi都dou是shi拿na碳tan板ban去qu做zuo的de,比bi較jiao厚hou,體ti積ji比bi較jiao大da。另ling外wai一yi個ge是shi低di壓ya的de係xi統tong,到dao最zui後hou,就jiu不bu沿yan著zhe這zhe個ge去qu了le。我wo們men在zai汽qi車che界jie,金jin屬shu板ban還hai是shi比bi較jiao靠kao譜pu的de,碳tan這zhe個ge東dong西xi好hao像xiang在zai化hua工gong界jie用yong得de很hen多duo。這zhe個ge技ji術shu的de進jin步bu持chi續xu了le十shi年nian才cai開kai始shi革ge命ming性xing地di改gai變bian。上shang汽qi實shi際ji上shang從cong2010年開始,起步得比較晚,做了兩個類型,200B這個品牌純粹就是金屬板,經過五年,我們的進步速度比較快,雖然起步比較晚;houmianyaozuodagonglvdebixuzougaoyajinshubanjiagaogonglvmidudejishuluxian,shiyanshideshujushixiaoguimode,dianduizaidaoxitong,xitongzaidaocheshibuyiyangde。zaichezhegejieduan,yezhiyouToyota、豐田達到了2.5以上,通用也已經達到了,不知道現在通用用的是自己的還是跟其他企業合作的。巴拉德新推出的功率密度也可以達到很高水平,300型大功率燃料電池動力係統目標就是2020年實現小批量生產。
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